how much do you need

I have noted in the past that being financially independent is very much possible for an average person earning average income both in the US and in India. 

Yet this February 2018 article suggests that the middle class in India requires at least Rs.100 m in retirement funds in order to maintain a reasonable lifestyle. This assumes a post tax annual income of Rs.3 m. There are two problems with this: 

One, we don't know what a reasonable lifestyle is; in fact, it differs from person to person. Two, required annual income is a function of today's cash and its time value. Annual costs of Rs.3 m today is more than reasonable for the middle class. Whereas its present value is in excess of Rs.1.5 m if we consider 10 years from today and assume inflation rate of 6% during the period; and even this I reckon is probably more than reasonable for the most middle class in India. Even after 20 years, the present value of Rs.3 m is close to Rs.1 m. Not many middle class earn that much today.  So we need to define when this Rs.3 m is relevant. 

But the author does make valid points regarding patience and quality of the underlying business, which the so-called investors do not adhere to. 

And now in May 2018, I find this article and the discussion thereafter suggesting that retirement in India requires at least Rs.150 m in order to maintain a comfortable lifestyle. They say that the required annual income from this capital is Rs.5 m to Rs.10 m; and their required rate of return to beat inflation is 10%, and 15% for a comfortable lifestyle. 

By the way, 10% return on Rs.150 m is Rs.15 m pretax, which could be close to Rs.10 m post tax. And the present value of Rs.10 m at 6% inflation rates over the 20-year period is over Rs.3 m. I am not too sure whether a couple (as the article suggests) retiring in India requires more than Rs.3 m annually. It would be too naive to generalize and conclude; yet, I can say for the most that income (which is about $45,000) should be able to give a reasonably comfortable lifestyle, for there aren't too many making that much in India. 

Instead of being specific, it is better to leave it to the person to decide what is reasonable and what is comfortable. That said, my take is that both India and the US are not that expensive to live a good life. A capital of Rs.150 m (or $2.25 m) capital in 20 years is worth over Rs.45 m at 6% inflation and $1.25 m at 3% inflation as of today. Think about it. 

My calculation of the required capital for retirement is simple as I have noted here; it is better to assume a zero real rate of return over the period. That means the return earned on capital is equal to the inflation rates during the period. The calculation then becomes both easier and conservative, and the capital required, a function of only two factors: One, sustainable annual expenses in today's value, and Two, the number of years. Here we don't assume reasonable and comfortable in generalized terms. 

For instance, if the W couple's annual costs are Rs.650,000 ($10,000) and the number of years of retirement is 30, the required capital is Rs.19.5 m ($300,000). If the C couple's costs are Rs.1.95 m ($30,000) and years are 25, the capital required is Rs.48.75 m ($750,000). You see how it is to each, his or her own. That's the way it should be. And the added flavor is that usually you do get to earn in excess of inflation rates.

In my view, retirement is a terrible word; it denotes doing nothing, which is not the way to lead life. Never let mind and body lay idle. The key is to be financially independent as soon as possible, and then take up something that excites you in life which you can keep doing as long as you can. There are times when this excitement can be monetized too; that's the icing.

tcs, and $1 trillion

TCS has defied odds; there is no denying. I compared both Infosys and TCS in July 2013, and noted how things changed since 2009 in favor of TCS. In October 2013 when TCS hit $65 b in market capitalization, I wondered whether it was worth it based upon its fundamentals. Then came July 2014 when TCS equity was priced by the markets at $85 b, and I was skeptical again. Now it is a $100 b company. In fact, this report had actually predicted it would. I only hope that the author had put his own cash into his thoughts. 

Sure it is a $100 b firm; so what? What can investors do about it, buy more, or book profits? That's the question. If you read this report, the stock has the potential to rise 10 times, and become a $1 t company. Yeah, that's $1,000 b; isn't that great? For record, there isn't any $1 t company on the planet, not yet. 

TCS had net earnings of Rs.258 b ($3.9 b) for 2018. Let's keep the math simple rather than going into complex predictions. That implies a PE multiple of 25 times as of now. The report says, does not predict, that in 8 years TCS could become $1 t company if it grows at 33% annually over the period.

The author is right. If earnings grow at 33% and the multiple remains at 25 times, it's a $1 t math. But then, if the multiple goes up to 30 times, it will be $1.2 t; or if earnings grow at 25% over 8 years, the market value will be $600 b, keeping the multiple intact. 

We have to remember that a 25 times earnings multiple after 8 years will mean that the business will have strong expectations of earnings growth in years beyond. That implies, TCS has the potential to become much more valuable than $1 t. To see why, let's assume earnings growth of 33% in 8 years, but also assume that the growth rate will taper, and therefore apply a lower multiple of say, 15 times. Now the business will be worth close to $600 b. 

You see what I mean? Math is not the value driver. The value drivers are cash flows and growth, and expected rate of return. 

And there is always the justification. 

In 2009, TCS market cap was as high as Rs.1,034 b and as low as Rs.406 b. In 2009, its earnings were Rs.52.5 b, and for 2018, they were Rs.258 b. The earnings multiple implied in getting a value of Rs.520 b in 2009 is about 10 times. 

Let's do the math again. If the markets knew that TCS would grow at a very high rate from 2009 to 2018, the multiple would have been more than 10 times; let's keep at 25 times. At our new assumed multiple, the market value of TCS equity based upon 2009 earnings would be Rs.1,312 b. That gives us annual growth rate of 20%, not 33%, from 2009 to 2018 for market prices. 

Now even if we apply 22% growth rate in the next 8 years, and give a multiple of say, 15 times, the market capitalization of TCS would be $300 b; we are keeping the currency rates constant. There are two problems with this prediction too. One, it is much easier for Rs.278 b revenues (2009) to grow at 22% than for Rs.1,231 b revenues (2018). It is called the base effect. In fact, the actual revenue growth during the period was 18%. And you know what, TCS revenues grew by 4% for 2018. Two, we are all hopeless in making predictions.

This is how I see it: TCS has been a great business, and ably managed; and in all probability, it will continue to be one. But it is preposterous to assume a large growth rate going forward; and 33% growth rate is outrageous. The business challenges are very different from what they were a decade ago. The Indian IT firms will have a drastic makeover and shift in focus to do if they are to remain relevant and profitable in the coming years. And this itself is a huge headwind.

As I always say, time will tell.

indian fmcg, and the fang

Here's an article published today, which says that Dabur's market valuation is absurd, and is not supported by earnings growth.

The author has singled out FMCG stocks for their crazier valuations. He also makes some fancy statements like the gap between their valuations and earnings growth is like earth and sky. There are two problems that I see with his remarks. 

One, you don't see only FMCG stocks priced weirdly. There are a whole lot of other sectors where we find gap between price and value; I mean where price is too much compared to their value. Does he think for instance, Dmart cheap just because it has and is expected generate higher growth rate? Of course it is a well run, profitable retail business; but that does not mean we should buy its stock at whatever prices marked by the markets. How about Eicher Motors? or does he consider Kotak Bank a value buy looking at its price to book? What are his thoughts on the NBFCs, or Airlines, or Telecom?

Then there is the second problem which is with his timing of the post. Does he think Dabur stock is expensive now? Its price was high compared to value in 2017 as well. In fact, a bunch of Nifty stocks was expensive back then. Tell us something new; or at least don't single out. We would have appreciated if the post was of expensive valuations in general. 

It is not about earnings growth only as the author emphasizes. It is always about the price of a stock compared to its intrinsic value. And the value is driven by its cash flows, not earnings. Yeah, earnings help generate cash flows; but they are not the same. Value also depends upon the expected rate of return, which again is influenced by the prevailing interest rates. 

The article also makes a statement: that the Indian FMCG valuations are crazier than that of FANG stocks. How profound is that. The author fails to recognize that value is driven by the prevailing interest rates. And the interest rates are influenced by the inflation rates. Other things being equal, the higher the inflation rates, the higher the growth rate.

Of course the FANG stocks cater to the world markets. But if you look at their annual reports, you know their growth rates; and also know how some of them are not yet that profitable. Here's their story. 

Facebook has been a heck of a story. Look at how the market valuations have progressed over the years. It is priced at 25 times earnings. I haven't had a chance to look at its latest financial statements. It's been some time since I noted my thoughts on Facebook. 

Then you have Amazon. A terrific business, but a terrible investment on value terms. In my view this has always been the case. 

Although Netflix has done well to its shareholders, it is not like other FANGs. It is yet to generate substantial free cash flows. I am not sure if its business model is as strong as Amazon's is.

There is no question that Google has performed well on both operating and market fronts. Value of these FANG stocks depends upon their ability to generate free cash flows on a consistent basis. And this depends upon their revenue growth, operating margins, and reinvestment requirements. Because they are technology stocks, we need to do some adjustments to their reported earnings. One big adjustment is how accounting rules treat research and development costs, and how they should actually be treated. Then you have operating leases and advertising costs. While R&D and advertising costs are like investments for future, operating leases are like debt.

Based upon reported numbers, Facebook trades at 25 times, Amazon at 250 times, Netflix at 187 times, and Alphabet at 27 times earnings.

The author of the article appears to be supportive of PP Long Term Equity Fund. I don't have anything against the fund, and it is left to their managers to manage the fund based upon their philosophies.

I think the fund started buying Alphabet from May 2014 onwards steadily increasing to 16,593 shares as of June 2016. They sold 1,500 (not sure why) shares in July 2016, and the remaining shares are in the fund as of March 2018. It bought its first Facebook stock in July 2017, and has consistently increased the holding to 42,580 shares as of March 2018. In addition to these stocks, the fund has also invested in 3M, IBM, Nestle, and Suzuki stocks. Now, it is a bit surprising to me that the fund finds stocks in the US market to be value accretive compared to the stocks in India.

Facebook isn't a 25% growth stock, and Alphabet isn't a 20% growth stock. In addition, both the firms are quite large: Facebook is priced at $500 b, and Alphabet is a $725 b company. Both are technology companies, where the road ahead to growth is difficult to predict. If Facebook and Alphabet it is, then why not Amazon? The fund hasn't bought Amazon as yet. It did buy Apple, first in May 2016, and then sold all of 12,550 shares it owned in October 2017. To each, his or her own. Remember now Warren Buffett has the second largest holding in the Apple stock.

I am not sure if the fund activities are long term oriented as far as foreign stocks are concerned. It would have been much better if it had created a separate fund called say, US markets fund and made that its investment philosophy. Buyers of the US stocks would go there. The existing fund then would be the long term equity fund focused on only Indian stocks. That way investors would be much clear about its objectives.

Here's the thing: The Indian stocks will aways have higher growth rates compared to the US stocks even when we know that certain of their companies are global. Then it comes to comparing the prevailing prices to their values for each of the individual stocks. There are bargains in both the markets; but, more in the Indian markets simply because it is a growing market.

While the fund may have its good intent, the author of the article appears to be a bit biased, as he is towards other companies too. This isn't a complaint, for all of us are biased in some way or the other. For instance, his dislike for Reliance Industries is well known despite the fact that Reliance has been the most valuable firm in India for long. It throws out a lot of free cash flows from its core petrochemical and refining businesses. Just that its reinvestment has been much higher what with retail and telecom ventures. Here's another question: is Reliance expensive too compared to its earnings growth? What about Hero Motors, or Maruti? Want any more names?

Of course stocks are expensive now compared to their value; but that is not limited to Dabur, or FMCG. A careful unbiased analysis will tell us where we stand today. There are always certain stocks available at prices that we want; for that we need to stop listening to others, and have faith in our own analysis.